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For Sale: $500 after rebate! You pay $5000 and I give you back $1500 each time I use the boat for the next three years, totaling $4500 in rebates.

UPDATE: November 8, 2006 -

More Details on What the Boat Needs - Click here

My custom trawler/research boat, Wooden Nickel, is for sale at a giveaway price under the special condition that I retain a right to use the boat for several weeks once each year for the next five years. This boat is featured in the "Boating and Cruising Guide to the St Johns River", and was used extensively in the research for the Cruising Guide.

The boat needs some work and is definitely best suited for a good do-it-yourself boater with mechanical skills. But it is no basket case project boat. It can be put in the water and taken on a cruise tomorrow. I'll probably have it in the water to demonstrate in mid November of this fall (2006). Scroll down for full details on the condition of the boat and what's needed to put it in top cruising condition.

Why So Cheap? - I rebuilt this boat myself 11 years ago and spent 7 years with it in the Bahamas every spring. It is a GREAT Bahamas boat! The boat lived year round in the Abacos from 2002 to 2004. With some repairs needed in the spring of 2005, we brought the boat back to Palatka on the St Johns. I made quite a few repairs, but at the urging of my wife, I have accepted the fact that I'm getting too old to maintain a cruising boat by myself. We've come up with this idea - find a good new owner and pretty much give the boat away if the new owner will agree to let us use it for a few weeks once each year.

Take it to the Bahamas! By far our first choice would be to find someone who has always dreamed of cruising the Bahamas and who would agree to finish refurbishing the boat and take it back out to the Abaco's for three years. You would travel out from time to time to use the boat and we would use it for several weeks once each spring. The boat is perfect for the Bahamas and I would love nothing more than to have three more seasons on the boat before I permanently give up boating in my retirement. When we were there, we kept the boat in dry storage at Abaco Yacht Center on Green Turtle Cay when we weren't using it. Storage there is about the same cost as in Florida.

Or on the St. Johns - If we can't find someone who shares our dream of using the boat in the Abaco's, we'll settle for selling to someone on the St Johns, which of course is a fine boating area in its own right!

What does the boat need now? - The many pictures found at the link at the top of this page will give you a good idea of the condition of the boat. Most of the pictures were taken in the spring of 2006. We brought the boat back from the Bahamas in 2005 because it needed some repairs to soft spots in the decks. We did those repairs and the general condition of the boat is good, as shown in the pictures.

Port engine work needed: Shortly before taking the boat out of the water in 2005, the exhaust manifold on the port engine cracked internally, allowing a water leak that allowed some water in the oil. We noticed immediately, and changed the oil twice flushing the crankcase. There was no knocking or other indication of engine damage. The engine ran perfectly.

We took the engine apart and pulled the head to check for damage. All appears to be in decent condition, though there is some surface corrosion where beads of water sat over last winter on engine surfaces even after being flushed with new oil. Our mechanic was putting the engine back together last spring (2006) and accidentally dropped a push rod into the oil pan. Every man has his "last straw" breaking point, and that was mine. I stopped work and finally accepted my wife's demand that it is time to pass this project along to someone else.

The port engine should be pulled out (not hard ), disassembled, cleaned up, and put back together after retrieving the dropped push rod. It would probably run fine and last a long time simply cleaned up and reassembled as is. There is a good argument that if you have it apart, you should do a more extensive rebuild, put in some new bearings, rebuild injectors, etc.

Best deal, of course, is if you are a mechanic yourself. If you have to pay to have this done, we know a guy who is a diesel mechanic, and aside from dropping the occasional push rod, does good work. He would charge about $2500 for the work. You could easily spend $5000 to have a regular diesel shop do the work. I've found used Perkins engines on the internet for about $6500 ready to run.

The engine also needs the cracked exhaust manifold replaced. List price from Perkins for a new one is about $2500 (!!!) ouch! Used or aftermarket are available at various lessor prices.

NOTE: Anyone who is used to handling a twin engine boat with one engine out can take this boat cruising immediately. The starboard engine is fine.

Other Stuff about the Boat:

Wooden Nickel II is based on a 1973 Silverton Express cruiser 34' hull. I bought the boat in 1995 after it had been sitting in a yard neglected for several years. The topsides and some of the decks were badly rotted (glass over plywood factory construction). But the hull was excellent and the boat had been retrofitted with two Perkins 180HP turbo diesels in like new condition.

I tore off all the rotten cabin parts and built my own version of a pilot house trawler. I consider it a "work boat", even though much of the interior finish is pretty decent (see pictures). I drive the boat as a displacement trawler at about 8.5 MPH most of the time, even though it will plane if it is loaded light.

Hull - The best thing about the boat is the very strong 1973 glass hull, built before they discovered they could make thin glass hulls that would hold up. The bottom is like an ice breaker! The finish on the hull is somewhat faded and has some scratchs, but there are no blisters or other signs of problems. Hull is great.

Top sides - The decks and cabin roofs are glass over plywood, which is not an ideal marine construction in the long term. The construction on all decks is done basically the same as the factory work on the original Silverton Cabin. If water gets in someplace, it slowly rots the underlying plywood creating a soft spot. I have done several repairs over the years. You'll find pictures of one of the recent repairs in progress on the picture page linked at the top of this page. The decks are in quite good shape now, with several recent repairs. But this will be an ongoing and recurring repair issue for the new owner.

Interior - The pictures show what you get. It is not like a new luxury factory yacht. But it has marine character and is spacious and pleasant for what it is. It has suited us well. It is laid out perfectly for a cruising couple.

Electrical - The boat will be sold fully equipped with functioning radar, depth sounders, marine radio, GPS. Etc. I have done the wiring myself as I went along, and it is NOT professional. One of the linked pictures shows the new fuse panels I have started to install, and the tangle of wires behind the control panel. Everything works, but the wiring needs a lot of work to bring it up to standards. Wiring is the boat's WORST selling point!

Plumbing - Meghan and I are of the "keep it simple" school of cruising. We have chosen to live with a camper toilet throughout our cruising lives. There is a reasonably spacious bathroom, and plenty of below decks space under it to put in a marine head and holding tank if the new owner prefers. There is simple running water, but no hot water system currently installed. The existing fresh water tank is cracked and we've been using jerry cans for water. Replacing the tank would be a small job.

Strut Alignment - The port prop shaft strut was broken at the yard in 2005 and a yard worker removed it, had it repaired, and reinstalled the strut. It is slightly out of alignment and binds too tight on the prop shaft. Before the port engine is used again, this strut needs to be taken off, realigned and shimmed. Not a big job, but one more thing before you really go cruising again with both engines.

Bright Work - There is simple mahogany trim around all the windows and mahogany cabin doors. Much of this varnished trim is in need of refinishing - probably more now in the fall of 2006 than last spring when I last looked at it. Not a big job, but one more thing - you get the idea.

 

Summary - is this boat for you? - I hope the write up on this web page, along with the pictures, gives you a good idea of what the "Wooden Nickel II" is all about. It is a great cruising boat for the money and very seaworthy. It has taken us safely through some nasty stuff in the Gulf Stream going to the Bahamas and back 8 times. The boat is widely known along the St Johns River as the official research boat of the "Boating and Cruising Guide to the St Johns River". It has good history and good kharma!

Since the boat is unique and home improved, it is best suited to a do it yourself home mechanic kind of couple. But we'd be glad to sell to a rich guy who wants to have everything professionally put in top shape!

If you want to go out and buy a REAL diesel trawler, you know what you can expect to spend. And if you find one for anything much under 60 to 100K, you can expect to spend more on repairs than you will on the Wooden Nickel, by far. Looking at what needs doing to put the Wooden Nickel in cruising shape, you'll invest maybe $7000 to $15,000 depending on how much you do yourself, and you'll have a real cruising boat. For the right kind of buyer, this would be a pretty good deal!

NOTE: Anyone who is used to handling a twin engine boat with one engine out can take this boat cruising immediately. The starboard engine is fine.

Perhaps best of all, if the right buyer comes along, I plan to be in business with you for several years to come. I will tell you everything I know about this boat before you buy. It would be stupid for me to hold any information from you. That's a good thing compared to the usual "buyer beware" boat sale.

This boat can be and will be put in the water by me next month and cruised locally with one engine. I've actually run the boat more than a thousand miles on one engine when I lost an oil cooler out in the Bahamas some years ago! It works fine if you're careful about right turns! SO a new owner who wants to play right away while they have the port engine work done can get right with it. I will deliver the boat anywhere, cruising on the existing engine if the new owner doesn't want to keep it at Gibson's, our present yard.

When and Where Can You see the boat? - It is in dry storage at Gibson's Drydocks in San Mateo just south of Palatka. You can see it there. I live in New York in the summer and will be in Palatka in November and can show you the inside of the boat if you're interested and I plan to have it in the water at that time. Call me at 716-652-9495 or click here for my email info.

 

Some things I would do if I were keeping the boat, and costs:

The above discussion of the condition of Wooden Nickel, along with the associated picture page will give you a good general idea of the boat and its condition. Several of you have asked Meghan on the phone for an estimate of the cost of needed repairs. I've given some consideration to this question since I am at a stage in life where I don't want to do all the work myself. Following is a list of some of the repairs I would suggest if I were going to keep the boat for some years, and put it in sound cruising condition. Unless otherwise noted, I'll estimate labor costs at $35 an hour, which is what some repair guys in our yard might charge. Boat labor is often two or three times that rate, so change the figures according to what you might pay in your yard. Some of the following are duplicates and just listed as two different ways of fixing something, so check which you might want to do and start adding.

I did a quick subtotal and got to around $12,000 to $14,000 for most of the important repairs listed below, assuming you are not a mechanic and carpenter able to do most of the work yourself. Add that to the initial cost of the boat ($5000), and you get to an investment of $17,000 to maybe $20,000 to have the Wooden Nickel shiny and ready to cruise. (and you get $4500 back from me over the next three years) If you can do some of the work yourself or have a friendly mechanic to help you with the motor work, the cost will be much less.

What would the boat be worth then? That's a question several of you have asked Meghan to try to get a handle on what you could get back out of your investment sometime in the future. It is a hard question to answer, since this is a rather unique boat. A boat is like a horse - it is worth exactly what one man is willing to offer and another man is willing to accept - today. Do not fool yourself that it will be worth the $80,000 to $140,000 that people are paying for sound ready to cruise brand name trawlers. People will always expect a good "Deal" on a one off boat like this. If I fixed everything up to snuff and painted and varnished, I would ask $35,000 for the boat ready to go and I would be prepared in my mind to accept $25,000. Just my best guess - your mileage may vary. But you won't find a sound diesel cruising boat ready to go for this kind of money very often. That's what makes this maybe a good deal for you!

 

$4500 Average of several estimates for rebuilding the partially disassembled port engine. It might be less than this. You could pay more at a major diesel shop.

$2500 Cost of a new Perkins exhaust manifold - might find one cheaper

$500 cost to remove and replace engine; the engines come straight up out of the cockpit hatch and are extremely easy to replace. I can have one ready to come out in two hours, then 20 minutes of crane time and it is out.

$250 likely labor cost of properly aligning port prop strut - a necessary repair

$2500 - this is what a guy who does some work on the boat for us would charge to paint the hull nice and shiny, remove and refinish all the mahogany exterior trim. The boat would look very sharp. This is obviously a very optional expense.

$500 - cost of replacing the very weathered plywood on the exterior rear wall of the cabin. This is about the only exterior structural part of the boat that needs attention soon. Everything else has been pretty recently repaired.

$200 - cost of building a proper brace for the deck under the rear cabin door. This has slowly settled over time and is no immediate problem, but something I would fix to improve the strength of the deck in this high traffic area. (OK - I lied in the above paragraph - this is one more needed structural repair - and I may think of others when I am standing on the boat!)

$6500 - the cost of a used Perkins diesel found from one used engine supplier on the internet, as an alternative to repairing the existing port engine.

$400 Replace fresh water tank and upgrade plumbing to sinks; better a do it yourself upgrade, but here's a figure to use if you're trying to put together a master plan and budget to have other people do the work. Meghan and I actually planned on our last trip to remove the existing old cracked fresh water tank and build a simple below decks rack for jerry cans of water and run our fresh water pump hose into these jerry cans. It would be a simple and flexible way to take care of fresh water storage. (at a cost of maybe $50) This is a good example of my cruising style - $50 jerry can solution instead of installing fancy water tank and plumbing.

$1000 cost of having outside labor do some basic rewiring and upgrading of the fuse panel. I started this, but a lot of my wiring is what I thought of as "temporary" ten years ago! You could spend as much as you wanted on wiring work. Hopefully the new owner will be handy with wiring and do it over time himself. Electrical work is something that is very expensive to pay a yard for, but cheap for materials if you do it yourself.

$200 to reroute the fuel tank vent line. This is a minor job that I've never bothered with. The existing vent line has low spots and tends to get moisture trapped in the low points. When this happens, if you fill the fuel tank, after a while the air built up in the tank "burps" back through the filler, spilling fuel. I get around this by refueling directly into a port on the fuel tank. This is a good example of the kind of minor "character flaws" the boat has that can be dealt with, but ought to be fixed.

Discussion of long term motor options:

The boat will run fine now on just the Starboard engine, and with a repair of the port engine you will be good to go for some time. Full size diesels (not little Yanmars, etc) tend to run forever if you change the oil and service them. The Perkins engines in Wooden Nickel have never let me down with any kind of internal breakdown in 12 years and many thousands of miles.

But I have had motor problems. Always they are related to the plumbing for external engine accessories like the turbo chargers, intercoolers, oil coolers, etc. A good example is the current port engine problem; the exhaust manifold cracked from age or whatever and leaked water even though the engine was still running just fine.

When I first got Wooden Nickel I was all excited that I owned "twin 354 engines with turbos and intercooling". Hi tech!

But if I could start from scratch for a boat like this that is a cruising boat rather than a speed boat, I would want a pair of normally aspirated very plain Jane diesels. The same Perkins I have with no Turbo's has very little extra plumbing to wear out or leak. If I could find a surplus engine dealer with a pair of them, I'd trade these turbo engines in a heartbeat. I have found a similar Perkins used on the internet for $6500. If you found a pair and offered to trade what we have, I imagine you might pay $10,000 for a pair of running used diesels. If I was planning to run the boat for ten more years, that would be a worthwhile investment

$120 for a pair of 6 volt golf cart batteries for cabin power. The batteries in the boat were holding a charge last spring but they are almost five years old and I would replace them. They are not expensive.

$75 for a good starting battery. The existing battery is pretty new, but I bought it in the Bahamas and it was all that was available - I would want one with a little hgher cranking amps.

$160 for new transmission cooler hoses. The current tranny hoses are not leaking but came with the boat and it is time to replace them as preventative maintenance. Probalby $150 labor if you can't do it yourself.

$400 - optional expense to replace existing traditional stuffing boxes on the prop shafts with dripless shaft seals. I have always had trouble with the stuffing boxes leaking more than I would like. They are fussy to adjust. If you get them too tight, they will score the shaft (see below).

$400 for new port prop shaft. That's about the going rate for a new stainless prop shaft if you break one. The port shaft is slightly scored where the stuffing box got too tight. It makes it leak a little more than ideal. It has never been worth my while to replace it - I just fiddle with the stuffing box. But this listing will give you an idea of a typical repair expense you might run into.

$250 to $500 - typical cost of a new prop. The existing props are fine, but they have been straightened several times and each time they get thinner. The time will come when you bend one and the prop shop tells you they can't fix it and you need a new one.

Fuel and oil filters - NAPA auto parts carries all the fuel and oil filters for these engines and they are not expensive. One of the few bright spots in the maintenance expense list!

 

I may add to this list of repair and maintenace expenses over the coming days - check back here.